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100 million cases of SARS within a year? (Excellent post from Brad Delong's website)
Brad Delong's website ^ | April 24, 2003 | Jonathan King

Posted on 04/26/2003 5:48:54 AM PDT by Tarsk

I think some people are missing the message here. If you take the data from the WHO sars page, you can easily find out that:

1) The death rate worldwide is 11% if calculated by the deaths over deaths plus recoveries method, or "only" 5.9% if you calculate it by dividing deaths by total cases.

2) The rate at which cases are growing is currently about 3.5% PER DAY (divide today's reports by yesterday's). That means the number of cases doubles every 20 days or so. Usually, a scary rate like that doesn't persist for very long with a fatal disease. Well, so far we have been almost "spot on" as the British might say for the last 20 days.

3) I agree that media reports are probably making some people outside of Asia feel more panic than they should (so far), but the situation is beginning to look completely horrible within China and Hong Kong. Right now, many people are leaving Beijing for the countryside, and you can almost hear the epidemiologists screaming "No! Don't do that!" If this is a 10% killer for hospitalized victims in major cities, you don't want to think about what it could do in the Chinese countryside.

4) A very valid point can be raised that we don't know how often transmission of the virus leads to full-blown SARS. The data collected in Canada and Hong Kong now are somewhat confusing. The Hong Kong data suggest they can extract the coronavirus from tissue in 90% or more of the SARS patients they have, and from very few people who don't have it. The Canadians have a lower success rate with patients (which is weird), and find 20% or so of non-SARS people who travelled in affected regions have the virus. Something is screwy here, and needs to be resolved.

5) The problem with controlling epidemics is that you have to do it early while you still only have a handful of cases. I actually believe that the Canadians have seen the worst of their current outbreak, but every announcement of "we have it in control" in Hong Kong has so far proven to be over-optimistic. And there is every indication that things are *still* even worse in China than the government there allows.

6) The situation I find most worrisome at the moment is actually in Singapore. The government there does not have a reputation for, um, "mildness" or lack of control, but their growth rate in cases this month has been about 3% PER DAY. That is better than 3.5% (especially when compounding), but does not qualify as "control" in the big picture.

7) I said that Canada my have the situation in hand, but if I'm the WHO, I look and see that their growth rate in cases has been the same as the world average, and has doubled in the last 20 days. 140 cases in all, the vast majority started from a single chain of transmission in a single individual. In other words, with aggressive quarantine, modern facilities, a hyper-cooperative population, and every advantage really, that's what it has taken to control this.

8) Another point is that it is not unlikely that the current outbreak will be arrested within several weeks. But then, next fall and winter, there is no reason to believe it could not come roaring back.

9) Exponential growth is just plain deadly. At a 3.5% daily growth rate in cumulative cases, do you know how many cases you *could* get in a year? If you had one case to start, that would be 283,941. If you had 4439 cases to start (like we do today), that's over 1 billion cases.

Now, if aggressive control measures could bring that down to a 1.5% daily growth rate, then you're only talking about a horrific but manageable 100,000 cases in year from our current position. So 10,000 people might die, rather than 100 million.

That is why I don't think the media is really over-playing SARS.

Posted by: Jonathan King on April 24, 2003 03:09 PM


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Two very good SARS resources sites:

http://www.sarswatch.org/

http://agonist.got.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=SARS

1 posted on 04/26/2003 5:48:55 AM PDT by Tarsk
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To: Tarsk
Possible? Not likely. You can always extrapolate figures to make things seem worse than they really are. We've been lucky to avoid a major SARS outbreak in the U.S and if the number of cases drop it may be remembered as no more than a set of hyped local outbreaks. Which do not a worldwide epidemic or pandemic make.
2 posted on 04/26/2003 5:55:18 AM PDT by goldstategop ( In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
"Possible? Not likely. You can always extrapolate figures to make things seem worse than they really are."

I draw your attention to point 2 in the above piece:

2) The rate at which cases are growing is currently about 3.5% PER DAY (divide today's reports by yesterday's). That means the number of cases doubles every 20 days or so. Usually, a scary rate like that doesn't persist for very long with a fatal disease. Well, so far we have been almost "spot on" as the British might say for the last 20 days.

3 posted on 04/26/2003 5:59:28 AM PDT by Tarsk
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To: goldstategop; Tarsk

Welcome to the
SARSaholic Therapy Group!

Come on in, let's discuss your fears!
How do you FEEL about the trauma of disease outbreaks.
Don't worry someone here will listen to YOU.
We want you to discuss your feelings.


4 posted on 04/26/2003 6:02:39 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Discounts for HCW's!)
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To: Tarsk
And still NO fatalities in the U.S. The statistics have been collated for only 20 days. Its not an average sufficient to allow us to do crystal ball gazing of future projected outcomes since 1) we know little about the disease apart from its being caused by a coronavirus pathogen and 2) its not at all clear why some areas are experiencing recurring cases and in other regions its either stable or going down. We need to know a lot more before it can be established to a certainty we'll be looking at a 100 million cases of SARS within a year.
5 posted on 04/26/2003 6:05:52 AM PDT by goldstategop ( In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
And all infected people either live with, are very close acssociates of, or have themselves been in a 'hot' zone. Nobody has come in with no idea of where they might have gotten it.
6 posted on 04/26/2003 6:09:41 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: Tarsk
The NEJM and other articles reveal that the death rate
increases by ~1.8 per decade of age of the individual afflicted.

Furthermore, impt. key questions remain including
how long "recovered" individuals shed virus (if they do),
how significant is the parallel cockroach vector system,
and what is the longest time of incubation (prob. > 10d).

7 posted on 04/26/2003 6:10:23 AM PDT by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us.)
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To: Trust but Verify
Be thankful it isn't the Zairian strain of Ebola we're dealing with. That particular disease has a 90% mortality rate.
8 posted on 04/26/2003 6:17:56 AM PDT by goldstategop ( In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
"We need to know a lot more before it can be established to a certainty we'll be looking at a 100 million cases of SARS within a year."

He is simply suggesting that given what we know now it's a figure that's at least in the range of possibilities.
9 posted on 04/26/2003 6:19:50 AM PDT by Tarsk
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To: Tarsk
Since early this morning, the temperature had gone up by three degree outside my house. If it keep rising at this rate, we will all be dead within a few days.
10 posted on 04/26/2003 6:20:40 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Tarsk
Y2K revisited.
11 posted on 04/26/2003 6:21:17 AM PDT by verity
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To: Tarsk
We be looking at 10 million deaths if those figures hold. With six billion people on the planet its far from being a Captain Trips rampage.
12 posted on 04/26/2003 6:22:07 AM PDT by goldstategop ( In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: flutters
PING SARS thread
13 posted on 04/26/2003 6:26:07 AM PDT by buffyt (Anni Clark RULES. Ditsie Chick drools.....)
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To: Rodney King
Life is fatal. 100% of people born will die.
14 posted on 04/26/2003 6:27:02 AM PDT by buffyt (Anni Clark RULES. Ditsie Chick drools.....)
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To: Tarsk
Bunk! Nothing grows at 3.5% per day and just keeps growing at the same rate. The law of dimishing returns sets in. We may someday reach 100 million cases of SARS. But I'll need a better forecast than some dude's post on the message board of a federal reserve economist's web site.
15 posted on 04/26/2003 6:32:54 AM PDT by StockAyatollah
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To: buffyt
Eventually. You've reminded me of the lines of a eighteenth century poet named Thomas Chatterton:

Since we can die but once, what matters it
If rope or garter, poison, pistol, sword
Slow wasting sickness or the sudden burst of valve arterial in the noblest parts
Curtail the misery of human life?
Tho' varied is the cause, the effect's the same
All to one common dissolution tends.

I am not enamored of the fact we die than Tom C. was (and he thought of all the ways we die at our own hands) and unlike the poet I don't believe human life is one of misery. To the contrary, life is its own reward even in the face of death. Its mysterious, beautiful, and sublime both in its duration and essential majesty. Even the frailest of people have a presence of mind and a nobility of character that's apparent in their determination to live despite all the odds. A friend of mine who passed away earlier this year impressed me with her the love she had in abundance and her outlook on life despite the condition that kept her most of the time from living life the way most of us take for granted. What matters in our human condition is not so much what we come down with than our desire to be in control of our own fate. Carpe Diem! That matters a lot more in the end than all of Chatterton's pessimism about the eventual common dissolution which has been the bane of our existence since man first came on this Earth.

16 posted on 04/26/2003 6:51:00 AM PDT by goldstategop ( In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
On the other hand, this poster might be way too optimistic:

Meanwhile, Dr John Hubley a lecturer in health promotion at Leeds Metropolitan University, said he felt Sars had the potential to wreak “absolute destruction”.

“Though it’s too early to say for sure what the impact of Sars will be, it is certainly far more contagious than Aids and the course of infection is much quicker,” he said

http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=68348566&p=68349z7z


The death rate for Sars could be significantly higher than previously thought, according to an British expert's study into the pneumonia-like virus.

The research by Professor Roy Anderson, due to be published in a medical journal next week, is expected to say the virus could kill between 8% and 15% - or one in seven - of those infected. The World Health Organization (WHO) had predicted a death rate of 5% to 6% and said the virus could be beaten if countries worked together to stop it spreading. A WHO spokesman said Professor Anderson was a top class professional and his findings were probably accurate.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2977035.stm


SARS much more deadly than first estimated

13:43 25 April 03

NewScientist.com news service

Analysis of the latest statistics on the global SARS epidemic reveals that at least 10 per cent of people who contract the new virus will die of the disease.

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993662
17 posted on 04/26/2003 6:51:57 AM PDT by Tarsk
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To: verity
"Y2K revisited."

If you cannot see the obvious differences between the two, nothing I could possibly say could disabuse you of the notion.
18 posted on 04/26/2003 6:54:05 AM PDT by Tarsk
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To: goldstategop
"To the contrary, life is its own reward even in the face of death"

Without G-d and the promise of an after-life, no human life has meaning.
19 posted on 04/26/2003 6:57:07 AM PDT by Tarsk
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To: Tarsk
I believe in G-d and the afterlife. Human life itself is of G-d's creation. We don't realize just how special it is until we lose someone close to us.
20 posted on 04/26/2003 7:00:25 AM PDT by goldstategop ( In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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